VirginiaHam
5:29 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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I think it needs to be GBP100m.
That uses last year's 43m profit and adds 57m, which in reality is only an outlay of 8m if you consider the dildos might have planned another 43m in profit in 2018-9 until we all got angry with them.
Add sales and freed up wages and the real outlay is minimal.
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Takashi Miike
5:03 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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"The trouble is that if you just replace with the next bunch of mercenaries you solve nothing."
maybe the dwarf not meddling in transfers and keeping his grubby little fingers out of player recruitment would solve this. is it possible for sullivan to do this? no
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ChesterRd
4:44 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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We need a significant spend just to remain at the level we are now, which is relegation candidates, never mind reaching mid table level. And that's proper mid table, well safe of relegation level.
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Bernie
4:40 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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I'd like to know the financial deal behind the Evra signing.
A complete an utter waste of money no matter what was spent.
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Mike Oxsaw
4:32 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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They won't be buying ANYONE unless EVERYONE buys a season ticket before 1st June.
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13 Brentford Rd
4:24 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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Despite what Sullivan says he hasn't learnt a thing because he is incapable due to an obvious lack of football nous. He doesn't understand what needs to be done and how to do it. His idea of success is mid table and we didn't move home for that. The owners have killed the joy and this is what they don't get, going to watch your team shouldn't be a souless chore.
Reading between the lines you can already see the sort of things that may happen.......
Moyes is staying if we stay up. Lanzini will be sold and we'll sign Mario permanently as his replacement. Antonio sold and replaced with someone like Traore? We'll shop in places like Turkey & Russia for DM and striker. Midfielders and defenders bought from the championship.
Our net spend will be about 25m tops and our overall spend won't be high enough to get the quality in we as fans want to push us any higher than 10th playing decent football that brings back the excitement.
I can see this limited amount of ambition working, but the reality is the club have not moved forward ON THE PITCH at all under GSB, we have gone backwards last couple of years, and are now looking at yet another rebuild of the squad and backroom staff just to not be fighting relegation again next season.
It's all rather full, fine had we not moved but we will have to suffer this in that bowl, or maybe not as I get the sense many Inc me are starting to lose interest.
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Animal
4:23 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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A few simple shifts in transfer policy I would make:
Under 27s only. Only exceptions are for "X factor" players they are considerably above the standard of the rest of the team. And then only a couple in the squad at a time. Think payet, dicanio, arnautovic. You're probably not going to get your money back on them, but their worth to the team outweighs the need for still on value.
Look to the championship for some young players. With the number of quality players that have come from there, I really believe your can buy a good premiership team just from the lower leagues. An English spine is no bad thing.
Look to the continent for the right type of players. To supplement the players bought using the above 2 criteria.
Using the above as a general rule, we get a steady supply of home grown younger players. If they're really good they go for a large profit. If they're good they stay, if they're not quite good enough they develop a bit in the prem, and then head out for decent money. This is then reinvested.
Much better this then a continuous stream of foreign mercenaries on high wages with no sell on value
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Willtell
4:18 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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I'm fairly certain wages are not a problem for WH. iirc our %age in relation to turnover went down from 60% to 51.8% last season.
Discussing the transfer kitty is also quite academic. There's no point spending £100m if David Sullivan is making the decisions again. His judgement is the problem and the reason WH have wasted so much money in recent seasons.
I'm also not entirely impressed with the kind of players Moyes is being linked with either. They most certainly are not "next level" players. They may be what Moyes thinks we need for now but an owner with a vision of next level would not employ Moyes in the first place.
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Bernie
4:08 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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You'd have to be mentally incapacitated to sell Arnautovic at the end of this season.
The bloke has kept us up.
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Alex V
4:06 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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Sven Roeder 3:44 Sat Apr 7
The trouble is that if you just replace with the next bunch of mercenaries you solve nothing. That's the major flaw with the reasoning of many supporters who want higher spending imo - it's all very well to clear the books of failures, but if you just replace with another bunch you haven't actually solved the problem. They may succeed and get you to mid-table or beyond, or fail and we end up here again. It's a sticking plaster solution that does nothing to address the fundamental issues.
Byram is our lowest paid senior player btw.
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Alex V
3:59 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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>>> Every single Alex V post always boils down to “we should sell our best players and play a bunch of kids instead.”
If you have the comprehension skills of an infant, yes.
>>> He used to warn about the financial holocaust awaiting us when we were buying big name players like Matt Taylor back in the Championship.
Had we not been promoted that season it would have been financially extremely hazardous yes. But the other part of my argument was not directly about finances - it was about the sort of club you want to build. Do you want to build a healthy club from the ground up based on solid principles, or a house of cards based on big contracts to mercenaries. I think I am vindicated in questioning the merit of the latter, and suggesting the former as a better way.
What was built from Matt Taylor onwards is exactly the sort of club that has ultimately made so many supporters feel disenfranchised and unhappy.
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Darby_
3:53 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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Every single Alex V post always boils down to “we should sell our best players and play a bunch of kids instead.”
He used to warn about the financial holocaust awaiting us when we were buying big name players like Matt Taylor back in the Championship.
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Sven Roeder
3:44 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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I think most people expect Hernandez to go as he doesn't fit how we play and is an expensive sub.
Carroll is probably unshiftable (unless we can get that bloke who menanced him from a motorbike involved) but players like Reid and Byram who are injury basket cases have to be shifted.
You'd have to be considering Antonio that way soon also.
The value for money we get for wages paid is abysmal.
Giving 5 and 6 year contracts to the likes of Reid and Noble doesn't help.
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Alex V
3:37 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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Carroll is an easy one. If the club sold Arnautovic and Hernandez to restructure wages it would not be well-received.
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Takashi Miike
3:27 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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step down how? a few have been saying for a while now that injury prone high earners like Reid & Carroll need to be moved on
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Alex V
3:06 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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More important than the kitty is the wage capacity imo. How many more Chicaritos could the club pay and stay within FFP? Not many. I think further doubling-down on high wages would be extremely damaging. I think the problem can be cured but it needs to start now with a wage restructuring. But of course that would seem counter-intuitive to many supporters - the right thing to do might seem like a step down to many.
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Texas Iron
3:05 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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Need to spend 80million to show serious intent...and make up for previous years...
But I wouldn't trust SGB...OR Moyes... to spend it wisely...based on previous...
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Bernie
3:00 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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We probably need at least 4 first team players, a new DoF and a new manager. What that lot will cost I've no idea. Wonder what we'll end up with.
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dicksie3
2:38 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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*hear
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dicksie3
2:38 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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Our net spend will be dog shit, as per usual.
You'd like to think that with all the fans' protests and aggression towards the owners that they'd pull their finger out but all we'll here is the usual bollocks talk but no action from them.
I'd love to be proved wrong but I just can't see anything changing until they sell-up or we drive them out of the club - because our fans are capable more than most other clubs of doing that.
What they witnessed against Burnley was nothing compared to what could happen.
It's up to the owners to do something about it and show much more ambition in the transfer-market by spending big on realistic quality players.
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Sven Roeder
1:56 Sat Apr 7
Re: Transfer Kitty.
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As others have said it’s more likely to be a Transfer Hamster than a Kitty.
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